Responses to the Comments on my Bishop Barron Video | Celibacy was a mistake

The beginner seeks better answers, the master - better questions

Hey Kids,

This is an old post draft from maybe 2021? that I never posted. It was a discussion on celibacy and the Pros / Cons. This guy Steve Skojec ran a Catholic Apologist website called 1st Peter 5 (he doesn’t anymore) and was slaying a sacred cow…This tweet was deleted soon after.

Steve Skojec @SteveSkojec

Thread: Why is it so controversial to suggest that the celibacy requirement for clergy may create a favorable environment for a gay subculture within the priesthood? Some poor guy suggested this in a comment at 1P5 & was quickly savaged in reply for making a "stupid" argument.

This dovetails with my last post about Bishop Barron responding to me calling him a D.I.N.K. I got some interesting comments in response; most of them are superficial or cliche. It’s so tiresome to hear people repeat bromides without putting any thought into them. I wanted to explore some of these a little deeper and discuss the stage two discussions resulting from better questions in place of the platitudes. Here is the response video:

Here are a few follow up questions that I address in my response:

1. Can one person hypothetically refuse to marry and have kids because they hate God/civilization while another person refuses to marry and have kids in service of God/civilization?

   1. Will they get an altogether different result?

2. When did the patriarchy (physical and spiritual Fatherhood combined /empowered with the Priesthood of God) stop working and is the new recipe getting better results?

3. Would you rather be raised by a physical father with the Priesthood or God or without?

   1. Which would God utilize if he wanted to get the best results?

4. Would you rather have a priesthood adviser who has a happy marriage & successful children or neither?

   1. Which would be able to offer wisdom guided by experience in this arena?

      1. How many experts have no personal experience in their field?

5. The Priesthood + Fatherhood has historically been God's preferred method to sanctify his Sons. Does celibacy have a superior track record of generating righteous, holy, sanctified men than the old recipe?

   1. If not, then why not?

6. In what context is calling someone an Eunuch...not a pejorative term?

7. If the 6:1 ratio (people leaving vs people joining) is correct…how many years before the demographics will essentially collapse?

   1. Who benefits the most from making righteous men choose between raising a family and becoming a celibate priest?

8. What similarities are there between Saul’s quasi-obedience and the way that leaders attempt to rationalize their unholy or unscriptural behavior today?

I didn’t get into the misapplication of 2nd Corinthians 7. I’ll have to do it another time.

Love you kids

-HaleStorm

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ORIGINAL VIDEO FOR REFERENCE:

Another deleted tweet from that original thread…

CJ Barca @Sheepdog176

@FrTravesty @roseOyuma As @Patrick_Coffin has said: “Celibacy is a Saint-making machine”.

He didn’t say where all the saints are being hidden.?